From John at BurghHouse.com Mon Apr 2 12:08:49 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 2 12:10:45 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Message-ID: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/bmp Size: 1334 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/76da1a79/attachment.bin From apparat at welho.com Mon Apr 2 14:10:25 2007 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka Tuominen) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:10:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In-Reply-To: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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From peershahul at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 14:22:57 2007 From: peershahul at hotmail.com (Shahul Hameed) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:23:29 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> Message-ID: Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/1cd12f40/attachment-0001.htm From bobpollard at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 2 14:27:34 2007 From: bobpollard at bellsouth.net (Bob Pollard) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:29:27 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> Message-ID: <001401c77522$4da475b0$6401a8c0@cranston> Sounds like it's time to tap into Prince Charlie's annual stipend and get the Royal Navy on it's way. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" To: ; "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation > It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic > to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk > needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen > are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that > nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! > What the heck has gone wrong in this world? > Regards, > Jukka > > > > > John Turner kirjoitti: >> Dear List members, >> I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. As >> you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in the >> UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks late >> returning from its voyage. >> Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most >> of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it uneconomic >> to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be on the menu >> soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah birds in a >> pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in evidence today - >> they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. >> On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that the >> cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of cigarettes >> AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. >> * John Turner * >> * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * >> * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , >> South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * >> *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) >> >> ** >> *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are >> confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the >> transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to >> this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication >> in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, >> dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action >> taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited >> and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >> communication. Thank you. >> *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] >> *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 >> *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena >> >> done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! >> >> * Simon Pipe * >> * North Oxfordshire reporter * >> * BBC Oxford * >> * 01295 258039 (no messages) * >> * 07834 846022 * >> * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * >> >> >> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] >> *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 >> *To:* Simon Pipe >> *Subject:* RMS St. Helena >> >> Simon, >> Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with the >> RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than two >> weeks late leaving. >> There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. >> Regards, >> >> * John Turner * >> >> * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * >> >> * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , >> South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * >> >> *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) >> >> ** >> *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are >> confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the >> transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to >> this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication >> in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, >> dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action >> taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited >> and may be unlawful. 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Thank you. >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk >> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >> personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically >> stated. >> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >> >> __________ NOD32 2157 (20070330) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 > 1:15 PM > From John at BurghHouse.com Mon Apr 2 18:25:51 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 2 18:28:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In-Reply-To: References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> Message-ID: <000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Nice thoughts but: * We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. * We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. * The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. * How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? * And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS ..... JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2162 (20070402) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/e77cf982/attachment.htm From peershahul at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 18:42:58 2007 From: peershahul at hotmail.com (Shahul Hameed) Date: Mon Apr 2 18:43:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> <000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: John, I can understand the plight. When I came to St.Helena in 1991 on a crab fishing project, RMS delayed to reach and we had to trade our potatoes for Castle and Lion with the Saints. When we reached Ascension we traded our frozen crabs for American Beer. There must be French sail boats who frequent the island. They can provide you a lift to the nearby ascension. Kidding. Shahul. Nice thoughts but: a.. We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. b.. We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. c.. The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. d.. How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? e.. And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS .... JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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From: "John Turner" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:28:27 +0000 Size: 18259 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/90997c7a/attachment.eml From peershahul at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 19:16:48 2007 From: peershahul at hotmail.com (Shahul Hameed) Date: Mon Apr 2 19:17:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <040220071701.11788.461136E7000EE23E00002E0C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Airfreight would be sky high. Someone should think of bringing another liner from Cape Town - Jamestown - Cape Town on a weekly basis. This will fuel the growth in St.Helana. More Tourists who prefer shorter outings will come and the shortages would vanish. Any one hearing me? perhaps the Solomon's. ----- Original Message ----- From: cplowe@mchsi.com To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Would the airport be a partial solution? > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/fdc12e91/attachment.htm From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 19:46:17 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Mon Apr 2 19:45:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In-Reply-To: <040220071701.11788.461136E7000EE23E00002E0C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> References: <040220071701.11788.461136E7000EE23E00002E0C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5B46853D-8020-46FE-A669-DB38C79D6A21@earthlink.net> On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:01 PM, cplowe@mchsi.com wrote: > Would the airport be a partial solution? This brings me to a question I'd been hesitant to ask. When the RMS is decommissioned, and the airport is the principal access to the island, how will containerized material be delivered? Maybe an occasional charter when demand suffices? Really, really big aircraft? Best regards, Chris From waynewalker007 at verizon.net Tue Apr 3 05:17:17 2007 From: waynewalker007 at verizon.net (RICHARD W WALKER) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:17:44 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena Message-ID: <422196.57275.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Most interested in further information about St. Helena Island. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/64a13116/attachment-0001.htm From AROEHL at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:51:32 2007 From: AROEHL at aol.com (AROEHL@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:52:01 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2007 5:11:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, apparat@welho.com writes: It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka Sounds like a government operation - Aroehl ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/bf783292/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 3 05:54:05 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:54:34 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena In-Reply-To: <422196.57275.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200704030354.l333s4jw008015@mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au> Can you be more specific? All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of RICHARD W WALKER Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 1:17 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena Most interested in further information about St. Helena Island. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070403/0e964206/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Apr 4 18:51:19 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Apr 4 18:51:36 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> <000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <00d001c776d9$77f11ea0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> In which way did they do in the time of Napoleon? No big cargos for beer or for water, no cans fo tuna, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Nice thoughts but: a.. We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. b.. We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. c.. The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. d.. How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? e.. And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS ..... JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070404/981f6422/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Wed Apr 4 18:34:22 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Wed Apr 4 19:34:58 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com><000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <00d001c776d9$77f11ea0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <001601c776d7$1b1a8ec0$0200a8c0@dad> I think it must have been a case of "ho-ho-ho and a bottle of rum!"... er, literally! ----- Original Message ----- From: giuliano tordini To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In which way did they do in the time of Napoleon? No big cargos for beer or for water, no cans fo tuna, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Nice thoughts but: a.. We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. b.. We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. c.. The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. d.. How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? e.. And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS ..... JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070404/2b963a81/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Tue Apr 10 14:03:52 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Tue Apr 10 14:06:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Message-ID: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/08b9fa2d/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Tue Apr 10 14:37:57 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Tue Apr 10 14:43:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Message-ID: <041020071237.933.461B852500016D95000003A5219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Cannot stop "progress" John. Anyway, as we evolve and adaptation to the environment occurs, these phones will actually be growing out of the side of the faces of the next generations. I have six year olds coming to my office with phones hooked to their belts. What is even more offensive is that there is beginning marketing of all the "stuff" that goes with the phone (sequined or cartoon character case etc) targeting this early age group > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "John Turner" Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:06:59 +0000 Size: 11661 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/0f0e0609/attachment.eml From alastair.ts at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 16:48:54 2007 From: alastair.ts at gmail.com (Alastair Teeling-Smith) Date: Tue Apr 10 16:49:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Message-ID: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/010c8bde/attachment-0001.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Tue Apr 10 17:52:44 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Tue Apr 10 19:04:37 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <006a01c77b88$57ec2150$0300000a@dad> MessageWahaha, keep your "The Crossroads of Life"... imagine the irony if the ringtone was "Waterloo" by Abba instead!!! I've never been to St.Helena, though my hearts screams for it!... but if cell phones EVER had to reach the island, then I'm afraid the very notion of all that I've come to appreciate being pure about the Island will shatter. Hey, I'm NOT at all suggesting Helena is backward or mundane - your lifestyle holds the envy of the majority of us! There simply IS NO NEED for a cellphone to be on St.Helena except for the small profit to be made by the service providers... and I for one would eagerly set up a world-wide lobby against anything of the sort!!! Grrr! Yes, make no doubt they DO have a place for an emergency call if you were perched on the edge of a long-drop... (er, in South Africa that would mean something totally different - a "long-drop" is an "outside loo", haha), but funnier still, is that in South Africa, you'd more likely be hijacked on the way down! Given the distance and area covered by St.Helena, I feel the most practical form of emergency communication would be catered for by a CB radio (Citizen Band). Heck, then your "emergency" will be heard by many more at the same time - even better! We've survived without cellphones, until now. So what makes the "now" more important than the "then"? Well, the way we conduct "business" for one, has changed - cellphones have forced us to be contactable at any time our client demands our attention... or, not to mentioned a family member reminding us to buy milk and bread. But surely, with the few extra minutes it would take to reach any destination on St.Helana, it would be far more understandable to wait until you got there to hear that your cat got struck by lightning than to be told it via a cellphone half way there. Sure, on a relatively cosy island like Helena, one also wishes for that little extra privacy or confindentiality... especially if you've just driven over the last remaining Dodo (oh shyte, wrong ocean)... therefore, broadcasting it over a CB radio wouldn't be appropriate. Ok, there ARE more worst-case scenarios out there - so, without sounding farce, "What Would Jesus Do?" He'd simply climb back onto his donkey and "kick ass" back towards the emergency (or say it was thus!). But then again, it's always (most hoped for), that staffers would use their own initiative to address an issue without a manager's interception. Is sorting out the problem via a cellphone going to add any more to the solution of a dilemma in the end? Certainly not if you forgot to charge up the battery! :-)) Please, I'm NOT trying to suggest Helena holds back from "progress", all I'm saying is that that a balance should be considered between "needs" and percieved "wishes". What I AM suggesting, is that the allure and attraction of an "Eden" like St.Helana is far more attractive than the superficial impositions of our world - and YOU guys definitely hold the key! An international airport is ok, but believe me, you DON'T want cellular technology runing the landscape of your beautiful island nor have it's people suffer the effects from it's radiation, (ok, debatable). Another thing, the camoflaged tree masts often look as fake as a cactus on a tropical island! Sorry to load you with this John, but my assumption is that you play a deciding factor into wether St.Helena demands the pace of life cellphones provide - my feeling is that it boils down to economics, aesthetics and health. Best regards, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/8273909d/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Tue Apr 10 19:27:07 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Tue Apr 10 19:04:48 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <003e01c77b95$d0e105a0$2698fea9@juliet> MessageOne of the most desirable things I noticed during my short stay on the island last October, was the ABSENCE of mobile phones. And one of the most noticeable sounds that I noticed while waiting for baggage at Brize Norton on my return to the UK. was the' all-together'- now switching on of the mobiles, and the ensuing cacophany of voices and ringing tones !!! I knew that I was back in the UK! Yes - I do have one - it is never switched on and kept in the car, for emergencies only - I take it inside occasionally, just to check the charge. I can appreciate John's fears - if only for the landscape, bristling with phone masts - imagine them on Diana's Peak - the mind boggles ! I am returning to the island in August - the RMS. willing and caught up with her schedules - and my phone will remain firmly in the car, during my absence! I have read so many of your e-mails, John that I would like to put a face to the messages ! Juliet Cottam. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/ada56887/attachment-0001.htm From sabinasedola at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 21:31:37 2007 From: sabinasedola at hotmail.com (sabina sedola) Date: Tue Apr 10 21:32:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses tentations les plus vulgaires. Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. Amiti?s Sabina >From: "John Turner" >Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > >Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 > >It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and >I must admit I dread the day. > >I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I >moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge >road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I >ran >off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian >Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. >Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >discover me and initiate the rescue? > >It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. >I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for >some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to >answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for >themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. > >And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the >conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating >dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering >machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in >restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in >a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. > >I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station >masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their >'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. > >These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. > >Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing >with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? > > > >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else >is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the >intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying >of >this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance >on >it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly >delete the communication. Thank you. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ C'? una nuova amica su Messenger E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 10 22:27:34 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Apr 10 22:28:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsear ch=true &chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=1 0&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&c boBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/e4444914/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 22:59:07 2007 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Tue Apr 10 22:59:38 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/2a4edead/attachment-0001.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Tue Apr 10 23:33:44 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Tue Apr 10 23:10:03 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <002901c77bb8$31598de0$2698fea9@juliet> MessageHow I agree re- your comments on mobile phones. When I was on the island last October, I was very aware of the 'peace' without the incessant ringing of mobile phones, and the consequent babble - what heaven ! When I was waiting to retrieve my baggage at Brize Norton, there was an atmosphere of 'altogether folks' and the the air was filled with the sound of ring tones and ensuing loud voices - this was the mobile phones being put back into use after a enforced rest !! I knew that I was back in the UK. Yes! I do have a mobile, but it is kept in the car, purely for emergencies - it is never switched on, and noone knows the number - I take it into the house occasionally, just to top up the battery. I am returning to the peace of St.Helena in August, the RMS. willing and back on schedule - I hope - and my mobile will be left behind in the car.The thought of Diana's Peak bristling with radio masts etc. is just too awful to contemplate. Having read so many of your e-mails, John - perhaps I can put a face to the sender when in Jamestown - the Consulate- here I come again! Juliet Cottam. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/ce7d6f0b/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 11 01:06:27 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 11 01:22:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <200704102306.l3AN6OE0011373@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> Robin has published several books of poetry about St Helena as well - there are usually two or three on sale on the RMS. Some of his poetry is rather unusual, to say the least and he certainly could be regarded as somewhat eccentric. He's been on the ship a couple of times when we've traveled and he can be a very amusing man, but he did have some long standing disagreements with people on the island, I know. From what he had to say one was the Bishop - I believe that Prince's Lodge was originally the residence of the Bishop - and there was also a problem with some cannons that had been recovered from the sea bed. Perhaps these have all come to a head - t seems that he has decided to quite the island. Not too sure about the value of his collection being in the millions though. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 6:59 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/93996373/attachment-0001.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 11 08:16:05 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 11 08:17:03 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Robin Castell In-Reply-To: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <200704110616.l3B6G7VK026082@mail20.syd.optusnet.com.au> I knew I had some of his poems somewhere - here are a couple he sent me after I had given him some photographs of the escaped Boer prisoner being returned to the island. I don't know if any of you know the story but essentially the man - Andries Smorenburg - had himself crated in a box marked 'Boer Curios' and loaded aboard the Goth in December 1901. He was discovered five days out and put ashore at Ascension Island, from there being returned to St Helena and imprisoned at High Knoll. The photos are quite remarkable and show how little the quayside has changed in the past 100 years!! Anyway, here are the poems: CHAMBER POT Life's like a half filled chamber pot Beneath an unmade bed A golden liquid waste somewhat Was acid warmly shed. In life this pot though cracked of course Not filled yet to the brim And so the organ of the source Can never reach the rim. This useless fluid cold and stale Despatched whilst in the dark Perhaps reflects the awesome scale T hat none defies remark. Is trust the saviour of our hope With eyes behind the wool? This pot is life's unbalanced scope Half empty or half full? CONTEMPLATION The evening's hour was bright above The mystic moon so softly beamed Its light of lights reflecting love A peaceful world in which I dreamed. My thoughts all lived in times gone by Hope was the hope of future hours Such hope seduced my searching eye... What's cooking in this world of ours? EGG ISLAND There is a tiny rock that hugs her Mother Isle; Egg Island is its name an aptly framed profile. With battery atop to guard the Northern coast; A sanctuary today, it is the seabirds' host, In olden times on duty there were soldiers found; Unhappy tale there was of one who sadly drowned, Remembered he his name engraved upon the wall; To him in Jamestown Church relates his fateful fall It's now an isolated guano shrouded throne; Where soldier ghost patrols his restless haunted zone, Encompassed by the sea this edifice does dwell; Egg Island long fabled by bright immortal shell! All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 6:59 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I hope to visit your magic island before. Friendly. giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabina sedola" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena > Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne > peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses > tentations les plus vulgaires. > Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas > d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on > s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! > R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. > Amiti?s > Sabina > > >>From: "John Turner" >>Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >>South Atlantic(Eng)" >>To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" >> >>Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 >> >>It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, >>and >>I must admit I dread the day. >> >>I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I >>moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge >>road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I >>ran >>off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched >>"Italian >>Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. >>Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >>discover me and initiate the rescue? >> >>It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >>out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >>known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located >>me. >>I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for >>some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to >>answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for >>themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. >> >>And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the >>conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating >>dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering >>machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in >>restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as >>in >>a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. >> >>I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station >>masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their >>'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. >> >>These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >>But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. >> >>Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >>minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing >>with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? >> >> >> >>John Turner >>Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >>(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >>Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >>Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >> >>NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >>confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >>and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone >>else >>is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not >>the >>intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying >>of >>this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance >>on >>it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >>communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly >>delete the communication. Thank you. > > >>The S:t Helena Mailing List >>To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > _________________________________________________________________ > C'? una nuova amica su Messenger. E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From joocee at btopenworld.com Wed Apr 11 10:59:50 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Wed Apr 11 10:34:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c77c17$c5626340$2698fea9@juliet> Apologies for mailing on the same theme - mobile phones- twice! I have a stone age computor and very often the 'send' button doesn't do just that or sticks!! I love the poems and will print them off to keep in my St. Helena memory book. juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alastair Teeling-Smith To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/37814f4d/attachment.htm From john at burghhouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:11:58 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:14:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I can't comment on this particular case but I can advise on the rules in general. Anyone who is not a Saint and wishes to buy property on St. Helena must first obtain an Immigrant Landholding Licence. The licence covers the purchase of a specific property; if you want to buy another you need to obtain another licence. You cannot obtain a generalised licence and then go shopping. The rules and mechanisms for obtaining this licence are changing (to meet the needs of economic growth - inward investors will need to be able to buy property, for example), but broadly require that: 1. The property has already been advertised to Saints and there were no takers 2. The 'Immigrant' will not be a strain on the health and social security systems of St. Helena Anyone interested in investing in island property can read the local newspapers (links on the bank's website) or the island's estate agent / realtor - www.tps.co.sh I hope that helps. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 10 April 2007 20:28 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsear ch=true &chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=1 0&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&c boBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/72baaf02/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:23:26 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:25:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <000a01c77c1b$13162c90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> ... And as anyone who's been here will confirm, there is never much "urgence" in St.?Helena, "bien pr?cis" or otherwise. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of sabina sedola Sent: 10 April 2007 19:32 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses tentations les plus vulgaires. Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. Amiti?s Sabina >From: "John Turner" >Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > >Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 > >It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, >and I must admit I dread the day. > >I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since >I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the >ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would >happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, >was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long >drop down to Sandy Bay. >Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >discover me and initiate the rescue? > >It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. >I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, >for some managers, this could result in them being continually >disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted >out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. > >And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when >the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or >eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the >answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you >in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as >well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. > >I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with >base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill >because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. > >These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. > >Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, >ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? > > > >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: >PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the >transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to >this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication >in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, >dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any >action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly >prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication >in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >communication. Thank you. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ C'? una nuova amica su Messenger E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:26:02 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:28:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <001101c77c1b$6df962d0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> As I understand it, anything that pre-dates 1900 cannot be removed from the island, so the sale may include the collection but only as long as the owner plans to keep it here (or intends to smuggle it elsewhere). I looked at the SA estate agent's website and did not see either this or the need for a licence mentioned. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: 10 April 2007 20:59 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/61b1e891/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:27:20 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:29:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <00d401c77c13$0ddb09b0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> References: <00d401c77c13$0ddb09b0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <001601c77c1b$9c49ec40$2d0b000a@shgbank45> If anyone is coming here and feels the need to bring a satellite phone I should warn that only one of the networks has coverage (and I can't remember which one). JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 11 April 2007 08:26 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Dear friends, I agree with you about to refuse the mobile phone, I would like that all the things we love remain the same as long as possible. But in the same time I see that each of us is a romantic person who speaks to other romantic persons via "mailing-list": we can speak to refuse the progress using the progress. Funny, no? Perhaps you can decide to refuse the mobile phone now, but sooner or later it will arrive, perhaps better the satellite one, without the mast in the landscape. But surely it will arrive; and the building of the airport will accelerate it. And I hope to visit your magic island before. Friendly. giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabina sedola" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena > Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne > peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses > tentations les plus vulgaires. > Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas > d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on > s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! > R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. > Amiti?s > Sabina > > >>From: "John Turner" >>Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >>South Atlantic(Eng)" >>To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" >> >>Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 >> >>It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, >>and >>I must admit I dread the day. >> >>I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I >>moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge >>road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I >>ran >>off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched >>"Italian >>Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. >>Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >>discover me and initiate the rescue? >> >>It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >>out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >>known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located >>me. >>I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for >>some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to >>answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for >>themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. >> >>And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the >>conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating >>dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering >>machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in >>restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as >>in >>a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. >> >>I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station >>masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their >>'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. >> >>These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >>But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. >> >>Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >>minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing >>with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? >> >> >> >>John Turner >>Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >>(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >>Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >>Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >> >>NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >>confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >>and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone >>else >>is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not >>the >>intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying >>of >>this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance >>on >>it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >>communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly >>delete the communication. Thank you. > > >>The S:t Helena Mailing List >>To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > _________________________________________________________________ > C'? una nuova amica su Messenger. E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:30:57 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:33:13 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <000001c77c1c$1ff0c5f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> PS: they also forgot to mention that, although "This north-facing home looks onto the sea ", it does so over the roofs of Half Tree Hollow. _____ From: John Turner [mailto:John@BurghHouse.com] Sent: 11 April 2007 09:26 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale As I understand it, anything that pre-dates 1900 cannot be removed from the island, so the sale may include the collection but only as long as the owner plans to keep it here (or intends to smuggle it elsewhere). I looked at the SA estate agent's website and did not see either this or the need for a licence mentioned. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: 10 April 2007 20:59 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/febe6432/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 11 16:01:02 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 11 16:01:52 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> <001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <8C94A58F97EFC7C-858-60A0@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> Was there a price on this home? I couldn't find it. -----Original Message----- From: john@burghhouse.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 3:11 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale I can't comment on this particular case but I can advise on the rules in general. Anyone who is not a Saint and wishes to buy property on St. Helena must first obtain an Immigrant Landholding Licence. The licence covers the purchase of a specific property; if you want to buy another you need to obtain another licence. You cannot obtain a generalised licence and then go shopping. The rules and mechanisms for obtaining this licence are changing (to meet the needs of economic growth - inward investors will need to be able to buy property, for example), but broadly require that: The property has already been advertised to Saints and there were no takers The 'Immigrant' will not be a strain on the health and social security systems of St. Helena Anyone interested in investing in island property can read the local newspapers (links on the bank's website) or the island's estate agent / realtor - www.tps.co.sh I hope that helps. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 10 April 2007 20:28 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/30aee4a5/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Wed Apr 11 16:41:47 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Apr 11 16:44:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <8C94A58F97EFC7C-858-60A0@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au><001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <8C94A58F97EFC7C-858-60A0@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005a01c77c47$8b383f70$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I think we'd all like to know the asking price, but if I send them an email I think they'll guess from my email address that I'm just being curious. If anyone on the List would care to email them (link on the webpage) and then circulate the answer it would satisfy our lust for details! Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: 11 April 2007 14:01 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Was there a price on this home? I couldn't find it. -----Original Message----- From: john@burghhouse.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 3:11 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale I can't comment on this particular case but I can advise on the rules in general. Anyone who is not a Saint and wishes to buy property on St. Helena must first obtain an Immigrant Landholding Licence. The licence covers the purchase of a specific property; if you want to buy another you need to obtain another licence. You cannot obtain a generalised licence and then go shopping. The rules and mechanisms for obtaining this licence are changing (to meet the needs of economic growth - inward investors will need to be able to buy property, for example), but broadly require that: 1. The property has already been advertised to Saints and there were no takers 2. The 'Immigrant' will not be a strain on the health and social security systems of St. Helena Anyone interested in investing in island property can read the local newspapers (links on the bank's website) or the island's estate agent / realtor - www.tps.co.sh I hope that helps. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 10 April 2007 20:28 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Nap! oleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsear ch=true &chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=1 0&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&c boBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/735517c0/attachment-0001.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Thu Apr 12 13:35:50 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Thu Apr 12 13:36:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <00fd01c77cf6$b9012ed0$6501a8c0@Pam> I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far have heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070412/baf3037e/attachment.htm From dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com Thu Apr 12 22:20:44 2007 From: dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com (Dawn Waters) Date: Thu Apr 12 22:21:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <00fd01c77cf6$b9012ed0$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Dawn Hampshire UK >From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:35:50 -0400 > >I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. > I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far have >heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for >sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: > > > > "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South >Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion >built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is >being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena >prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as >all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with >permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the >sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie >mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional >gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and >reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a >kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in >2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting >place." > > > > You see pictures and more details: > > >http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential > > > > They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is >it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? > > > > Alastair > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Apr 12 22:52:50 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Apr 12 22:50:56 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AEDD17-E44B-43A2-9C12-83D84C80B694@earthlink.net> On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Dawn Waters wrote: > Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Time share :-) From john at burghhouse.com Fri Apr 13 10:04:12 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 13 10:06:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: References: <00fd01c77cf6$b9012ed0$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <006b01c77da2$55415f30$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I would dearly love to read the Immigrant Landholding Licence application for that one! JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Dawn Waters Sent: 12 April 2007 20:21 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Dawn Hampshire UK >From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:35:50 -0400 > >I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. > I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far >have heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for >sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: > > > > "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the >South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian >Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, >which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St >Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, >as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing >boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home >looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an >exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch >of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 >large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house >consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport >due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in >Napoleon's final resting place." > > > > You see pictures and more details: > > >http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listre >fsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/13165 >4&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500 >000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residenti >al > > > > They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where >is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? > > > > Alastair > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2184 (20070412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Norman at theroasterie.com Thu Apr 12 22:23:30 2007 From: Norman at theroasterie.com (Norman Killmon) Date: Fri Apr 13 13:27:32 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71858DB636741E42850EFF2579F987835B9A80@espresso.TheRoasterie.Coffee> I want the first two weeks in July......norm. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Dawn Waters Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:21 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Dawn Hampshire UK >From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:35:50 -0400 > >I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. > I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far >have heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for >sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: > > > > "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the >South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian >Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, >which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St >Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, >as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing >boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home >looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an >exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch >of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 >large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house >consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport >due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in >Napoleon's final resting place." > > > > You see pictures and more details: > > >http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listre >fsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/13165 >4&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500 >000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residenti >al > > > > They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where >is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? > > > > Alastair > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu Thu Apr 12 22:41:02 2007 From: Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Fri Apr 13 13:27:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FC2935A-1D3E-4056-B10D-71857F2A094B@Alumni.Duke.edu> On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Dawn Waters wrote: > Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Time share ;-) From John at BurghHouse.com Tue Apr 17 09:58:23 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:01:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/2765500e/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Tue Apr 17 10:07:35 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:08:04 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46248E57.19835.566445@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 17 Apr 2007 at 7:58, John Turner wrote: > last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an > advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement > is apparently not available on the Internet... Typical in the teaching context. What would a teacher want with that newfangled internet stuff? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From ahs at st-helena.org Tue Apr 17 10:30:54 2007 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H. Schulenburg) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:31:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <003401c780ca$b8760580$0301a8c0@TIME2003> MessageThe advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co.uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/009ea8d5/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 17 10:40:54 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:41:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <003401c780ca$b8760580$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 17 April 2007 08:41 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2194 (20070416) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/4ab07cc9/attachment.htm From simon.pipe at bbc.co.uk Tue Apr 17 11:42:40 2007 From: simon.pipe at bbc.co.uk (Simon Pipe) Date: Tue Apr 17 11:43:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <003401c780ca$b8760580$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <3103E6DC0AB6144FB61C906EEFFB6ACD014A76F2@bbcxue801.national.core.bbc.co.uk> anyone thinking of applying should think hard about the difficulties of obtaining a teaching job in the UK afterwards. I think it's been an issue for some people who've gone to St Helena in professional roles. Simon Pipe North Oxfordshire reporter BBC Oxford 01295 258039 (no messages) 07834 846022 simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 17 April 2007 09:41 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/94aaf16c/attachment-0001.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Apr 18 07:00:56 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Apr 18 07:01:04 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> MessageJohn, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/046a1be1/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 18 12:12:11 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:15:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> References: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <000301c781a2$0e307410$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: * Italians who teach; and / or * people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> >Giuliano, >I have no objection to having here: >Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian >Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always >prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps >for the same reason, do not like German operas). > >Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, >being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not >professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and >requirements of my children. > >My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though >I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching >the movie The Italian Job. > >But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an >island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make >up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you >count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). > >That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the >curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > >Sad, but true. > >Regards, > >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone >else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are >not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, >copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken >in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have >received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply >and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > >---------- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf >Of giuliano tordini >Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 >To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Terry Herbert >To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)' >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM >Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up >to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > >All the best > >Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > >---------- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >[mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg >Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM >To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >The advert is available online at > >http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > >Regards, >Alexander > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Turner >To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM >Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried >an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. > >The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone >can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main >details I'd be most grateful. > >Regards, >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/783824ce/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 18 13:54:22 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:57:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20070418131634.01ce9d00@194.52.167.3> References: <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI><200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au><00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> <5.1.1.6.0.20070418131634.01ce9d00@194.52.167.3> Message-ID: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2200 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/ff7b6933/attachment-0001.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 18 14:15:21 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 18 14:16:02 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <200704181215.l3ICFHu3010141@mail26.syd.optusnet.com.au> That?s going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/0c07de68/attachment-0001.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Apr 18 14:20:57 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Apr 18 14:21:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au><00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> <000301c781a2$0e307410$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <006f01c781b4$04b4c280$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> MessageThank you for the answer, John; of course I was joking about the 30000 pounds. Teaching in a school is not my job, the only think I could teach is to navigate; or I could make the doctor, as I made for 37 years. Only speculations. Greetings. g ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: a.. Italians who teach; and / or b.. people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Simon Pipe Sent: 17 April 2007 09:43 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena anyone thinking of applying should think hard about the difficulties of obtaining a teaching job in the UK afterwards. I think it's been an issue for some people who've gone to St Helena in professional roles. Simon Pipe North Oxfordshire reporter BBC Oxford 01295 258039 (no messages) 07834 846022 simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/7b5d936d/attachment-0001.htm From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 18 20:08:47 2007 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Wed Apr 18 20:03:42 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <46265EAF.1040704@tiscali.co.uk> Come on Tessa, John is only joking! It's only an observation! Have you ever been to Glasgow, Bristol, Portsmouth, Newcastle, Norwich, Ipswich...etc.. I could go on, and understand the local dialect that is supposed to be English? Regards Jeff Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > *As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! * I feel certain > most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > see you post such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *John Turner > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > JT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *Rich Perkins > *Sent:* 18 April 2007 11:20 > *To:* list@sthelena.se > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches > the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was > compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory > for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach > on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or > Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I > always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, > perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, > being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not > professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and > requirements of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, > though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is > watching the movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on > an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose > visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the > curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > *John Turner* > *Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena* > *(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ)* > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *giuliano tordini > *Sent:* 18 April 2007 05:01 > *To:* All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it > up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of > course. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > The advert is available online at > > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > > Regards, > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Turner > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > ; 'Various UK Contacts' > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) > carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. > > The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if > anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email > me the main details I'd be most grateful. > > Regards, > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. 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From kesslerg at hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 20:10:18 2007 From: kesslerg at hotmail.com (Gregory Kessler) Date: Wed Apr 18 20:10:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200704181215.l3ICFHu3010141@mail26.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/450ad65c/attachment-0001.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 20:50:00 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 20:50:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> Oh brother, Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. -----Original Message----- From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). --------------------------------- From: "Terry Herbert" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: ,"'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:21 +1000 .shape{;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal{margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}p{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}span.EmailStyle18{font-family:Arial;color:navy;}@page Section1{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}div.Section1{page:Section1;}ol{margin-bottom:0cm;}ul{margin-bottom:0cm;} That?s going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. --------------------------------- Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 21:12:34 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:10:05 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler wrote: > I got my application today and will have it filled out this > weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). Looking at the requirements, but not having looked at the application, it's unclear how US qualifications would be assessed. A- levels? And how many Americans are considered qualified in "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the States? You bring up a significant barrier: the wife's permission could be a problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' worldwide income. Of course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or whether it's near a war zone. Unscrupulous filers might try for a combat pay exemption. I would assume the UK tax treaty with the US allows for credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid to the UK, so you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. Good luck! Very best regards, Chris From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 21:28:11 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:28:47 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <269015.36444.qm@web54512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7E3@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Okay I'm pissed now and I can't even respond! Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:00 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good for you Gregory! I wish you the best of luck with the application and interview process. Nissa Nystrom Fargo, ND USA --- Gregory Kessler wrote: --------------------------------- I got my application today and will have it filled out this weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). --------------------------------- From: "Terry Herbert" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: ,"'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:21 +1000 .shape{;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal{margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}p{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}span.EmailStyle18{font-family:Arial;color:navy;}@page Section1{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}div.Section1{page:Section1;}ol{margin-bottom:0cm;}ul{margin-bottom:0cm;} That's going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. --------------------------------- Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 21:28:46 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:33:04 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <306839.61037.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow Chris, it almost sounded like you were trying to talk Gregory out of even applying. Do you have anything positive to say about the possibility of Gregory working and living on St. Helena? Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- "Christopher D. Lewis" wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler wrote: > > > I got my application today and will have it filled > out this > > weekend. I am currently a high school librarian > in the USA. > > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my > wife). > > Looking at the requirements, but not having looked > at the > application, it's unclear how US qualifications > would be assessed. A- > levels? And how many Americans are considered > qualified in > "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the > States? > > You bring up a significant barrier: the wife's > permission could be a > problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. > > Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' > worldwide income. Of > course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or > whether it's > near a war zone. Unscrupulous filers might try for > a combat pay > exemption. I would assume the UK tax treaty with > the US allows for > credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid > to the UK, so > you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. > > Good luck! > > Very best regards, > Chris > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 21:38:35 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:39:12 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: English Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7F9@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> I am having trouble posting to the list at the moment, unable to get "reply" messages through. I would appreciate if this gets bounced from the main list, if one of you would post it. Tessa ________________________________ From: Tessa Boucherot Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:30 PM To: 'list-bounces@sthelena.se' Subject: English Was he? While, I understand that in an email, tone is difficult to read, I took offense! Must I see it as a joke? What of the comment "Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either."? Where's the joke here? An "observation" would be "......St. Helenians have a peculiar accent.." Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jeff@tiscali Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:09 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Come on Tessa, John is only joking! It's only an observation! Have you ever been to Glasgow, Bristol, Portsmouth, Newcastle, Norwich, Ipswich...etc.. I could go on, and understand the local dialect that is supposed to be English? Regards Jeff Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > *As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! * I feel certain > most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > see you post such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *John Turner > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > JT Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/e6b72128/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 21:55:03 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:55:34 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> If someone is offended by a comment made on this list, they have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that you will keep any and all future objections you might have in regard to subject matter discussed on this list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that in advance. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Oh brother, > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher > skin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From concorde93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 22:04:00 2007 From: concorde93 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Fonseca?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:04:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: English In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7F9@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7F9@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: Only to check that I'm in list. Best for all of you people! St Helena rullez :) On 4/18/07, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > I am having trouble posting to the list at the moment, unable to get > "reply" messages through. I would appreciate if this gets bounced from the > main list, if one of you would post it. > > Tessa > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Tessa Boucherot > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:30 PM > *To:* 'list-bounces@sthelena.se' > *Subject:* English > > > > Was he? While, I understand that in an email, tone is difficult to read, > I took offense! Must I see it as a joke? > > > > What of the comment "Though having heard the Announcements > > > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either."? > Where's the joke here? > > > > An "observation" would be "......St. Helenians have a peculiar accent.." > > > > Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) > > BPM Senior Living Company > > 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 > > Portland, Oregon 97209 > > 503.595.3083 (direct) > > 503.274.4685 (fax) > > tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > Please note my name change and email address change. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > On Behalf Of Jeff@tiscali > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:09 AM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Come on Tessa, > > John is only joking! It's only an observation! Have you ever been to > > Glasgow, Bristol, Portsmouth, Newcastle, Norwich, Ipswich...etc.. I > > could go on, and understand the local dialect that is supposed to be > > English? > > Regards > > Jeff > > > > Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > > > > > *As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! * I feel certain > > > most St. Helenians would. > > > > > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > > > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > > > see you post such a comment. > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > *On > > > Behalf Of *John Turner > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > > > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > > > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > > > > > JT > > > > Tessa Boucherot (*Boosh-er-row)* > > BPM Senior Living Company > > 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 > > Portland, Oregon 97209 > > 503.595.3083 (direct) > > 503.274.4685 (fax) > > tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > *Please note my name change and email address change*. > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 22:36:32 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:39:02 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <306839.61037.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <306839.61037.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Nissa Nystrom wrote: > Wow Chris, it almost sounded like you were trying to > talk Gregory out of even applying. Do you have > anything positive to say about the possibility of > Gregory working and living on St. Helena? It's gorgeous there and I understood nearly everything any Saint ever tried to tell me. Most of what I didn't understand was in a noisy bar on the bay, so that hardly counts. Much easier to understand than Scousers, any day of the week. But then maybe I wasn't talking to the same Saints as John ;-) Assuming his wife is game, I'd encourage him to go for it. My only concern -- and it's not a reason not to apply, far from it -- is that non-UK credentials and expertise could be so unfamiliar to those handling the applications that their suitability might be hard for them to realize. Like Gregory, I have a degree in History -- but I don't have "A-levels" in the subject because they do not exist in the US. The fact that Gregory has taught history is certainly a plus ... and my dig against Americans' geography isn't aimed at him, but at the general population. We're famous for having no idea where anything is, even inside our own country. Gregory wrote: "I actually got the thumbs up from my wife this afternoon, although that could change." That's wonderful. I look forward to hearing how it goes. I hope they're open about the equivalence and suitability of non-UK credentials. Very best regards, Chris From thomas at flyingkettle.com Wed Apr 18 22:54:26 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:54:46 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC81B@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC81B@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From cplowe at mchsi.com Wed Apr 18 22:56:48 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:57:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> I think I would work on convincing the wife first > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Gregory Kessler" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:20:02 +0000 Size: 23744 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/26815382/attachment-0001.eml From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 23:04:09 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:06:40 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:56 PM, cplowe@mchsi.com wrote: > I think I would work on convincing the wife first He's got that licked, he says; the next obstacle is whoever will compare his application to those of people whose credentials they already comprehend. I look forward to word of my countryman's success. Though I suspect some foreigners may shudder to imagine history as taught by one of us! All the best, Chris From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:06:46 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:07:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46267DE2.5090009@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <739193.27943.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Reino, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to when you wrote "talking crap and asking for not considering it as such". Your thoughts did not translate well into your e-mail. My response is going to be according to what I could make of what you wrote. I don't believe I asked for any consideration one way or the other with what I had to say about allowing people their opinions. I guess there are some people on this list who feel their opinions are the only opinions that matter and if anyone else disagrees far be it for them to say something. If you are telling me to keep my opinions to myself then unfortunately, I have no alternative but to return the sentiment to you in kind. I hope that is not the case. I am not sure where it became okay for members on this list to treat each other so rudely and with such disregard but it really needs to stop. I believe Mr. Porter owes Tessa an apology. I responded to his e-mail only because of the way he disregarded Tessa's opinion. She is a native Saint. If she found a comment made about the people of St. Helena offensive, I would be willing to consider there might be some weight to what she is feeling. Best wishes Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Reino Bauer wrote: > Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not > considering it as such may > work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the > world. Keep it to > yourself and everybody will be satisfied, including > yourself. It is not > a question of free expression but of style. > > Reino. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 18 23:09:04 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:09:32 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Indeed, 'tis so. It has always surprised me to see "flames" on the Internet in Chat sites, Forums and Mailing Lists. The anonymity of the Web seems at times to bring out the worst in some folks who say things that they would never (I hope) say face to face. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2007 6:54 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From lgreenf at ktb.net Wed Apr 18 23:23:47 2007 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:24:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> Gee, What would be like if everyone on this list suddenly found themselves living on a small, isolated South Atlantic Island, where they had to live with each other day after day, week after week, year after year? Larry From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 23:24:20 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:24:53 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC86F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> I recalled a repeated message. I am having a little trouble posting to the list. Those are indeed very wise words from Omar Khayyam. I have one more thing to add regarding John Turner's comments: Would he have written those same comments to the St. Helena Independent? Would a local audience, St. Helenians, see this as a joke? I think not! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:54 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 23:27:45 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:28:19 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9501789F307E7-1310-4AF9@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Not hardly, Nissa. Welcome to the forum. -----Original Message----- From: nanystrom@yahoo.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena If someone is offended by a comment made on this list, they have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that you will keep any and all future objections you might have in regard to subject matter discussed on this list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that in advance. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Oh brother, > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher > skin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/bc086e10/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 23:29:03 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:29:32 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC876@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Might I please reiterate that I was in now way attempting to recall my original message to John's comment! I successfully recalled a duplicate message, while having problems posting to the list. Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Indeed, 'tis so. It has always surprised me to see "flames" on the Internet in Chat sites, Forums and Mailing Lists. The anonymity of the Web seems at times to bring out the worst in some folks who say things that they would never (I hope) say face to face. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2007 6:54 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 23:30:23 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:30:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <739193.27943.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C95017E8870EB1-1310-4B36@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> I owe no one an apology. You give an opinion, expect one in return. -----Original Message----- From: nanystrom@yahoo.com To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Reino, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to when you wrote "talking crap and asking for not considering it as such". Your thoughts did not translate well into your e-mail. My response is going to be according to what I could make of what you wrote. I don't believe I asked for any consideration one way or the other with what I had to say about allowing people their opinions. I guess there are some people on this list who feel their opinions are the only opinions that matter and if anyone else disagrees far be it for them to say something. If you are telling me to keep my opinions to myself then unfortunately, I have no alternative but to return the sentiment to you in kind. I hope that is not the case. I am not sure where it became okay for members on this list to treat each other so rudely and with such disregard but it really needs to stop. I believe Mr. Porter owes Tessa an apology. I responded to his e-mail only because of the way he disregarded Tessa's opinion. She is a native Saint. If she found a comment made about the people of St. Helena offensive, I would be willing to consider there might be some weight to what she is feeling. Best wishes Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Reino Bauer wrote: > Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not > considering it as such may > work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the > world. Keep it to > yourself and everybody will be satisfied, including > yourself. It is not > a question of free expression but of style. > > Reino. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/26faa469/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 23:28:40 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:33:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46267DE2.5090009@bigfoot.com> References: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> <46267DE2.5090009@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <8C95017AB306865-1310-4B0E@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Well said, Reino. -----Original Message----- From: rbauer6115@t-online.de To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not considering it as such may work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the world. Keep it to yourself and everybody will be satisfied, including yourself. It is not a question of free expression but of style. Reino. has notified the sender that this message has been received. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/ec41f9a9/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Wed Apr 18 23:32:46 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:33:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 18 Apr 2007 at 16:04, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > He's got that licked, he says; the next obstacle is whoever will > compare his application to those of people whose credentials they > already comprehend. I don't think a teacher from America has much chance of breaking into the UK teaching circle, via teaching in St. Helena. The UK has its own system and its own ways, and its own curriculum and its own procedures which have very little to do with actually teaching anything to the pupils, and while there may be an accreditation procedure for teachers from foreign parts, I doubt that it could be done on-the-spot in such a remote location. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:41:42 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:42:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C9501789F307E7-1310-4AF9@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <404077.18598.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Glad to hear that. Thanks. --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Not hardly, Nissa. Welcome to the forum. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nanystrom@yahoo.com > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > If someone is offended by a comment made on this > list, > they have a right to voice their opinion whether you > agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think > we > are mature enough to allow for others opinions just > as > freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't > make a wrong right and just because you weren't > offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a > positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that > you will keep any and all future objections you > might > have in regard to subject matter discussed on this > list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank > you for that in advance. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > Oh brother, > > > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get > tougher > > skin. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! > I > > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > > such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > John > > Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > > foreign language, given that most people speak > > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being > > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > > either. > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > Rich > > Perkins > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, > St. > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > > or German or Italian, what foreign language do > they > > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > xmlns:ns0 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > Giuliano, > > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > > Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > > language and I always prefer to hear Italian > operas > > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here > count > > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > > children and therefore not professionally > qualified > > to know anything about the welfare and > requirements > > of my children. > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > > Italian video course, though I must confess that > the > > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching > the > > movie The Italian Job. > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > > which is a shame on an island that receives many > > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > > visitors (unless you count Americans as > non-English > > speaking, of course). > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of > getting > > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as > us > > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be > a > > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > > communication in error or are not the intended > > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > > distribution, copying of this communication or any > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > > you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > > giuliano tordini > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > > italian teacher in SH? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > ????30,000 a year!!! What????????s he average > salary on the > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:45:12 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:45:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <33230.84056.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The discussion and debate would rival the most insightful, interesting and entertaining in the world. Of course, eventually people would be voted off. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Larry Greenfield wrote: > Gee, > What would be like if everyone on this list suddenly > found themselves living > on a small, isolated South Atlantic Island, where > they had to live with each > other day after day, week after week, year after > year? > Larry > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:48:57 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:49:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C95017E8870EB1-1310-4B36@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <443876.20729.qm@web54514.mail.yahoo.com> Exactly! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > I owe no one an apology. You give an opinion, expect > one in return. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nanystrom@yahoo.com > To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Reino, > I am not sure what exactly you are referring to when > you wrote "talking crap and asking for not > considering > it as such". Your thoughts did not translate well > into your e-mail. My response is going to be > according to what I could make of what you wrote. > I don't believe I asked for any consideration one > way > or the other with what I had to say about allowing > people their opinions. I guess there are some > people > on this list who feel their opinions are the only > opinions that matter and if anyone else disagrees > far > be it for them to say something. If you are telling > me to keep my opinions to myself then unfortunately, > I > have no alternative but to return the sentiment to > you > in kind. I hope that is not the case. > I am not sure where it became okay for members on > this > list to treat each other so rudely and with such > disregard but it really needs to stop. I believe Mr. > Porter owes Tessa an apology. I responded to his > e-mail only because of the way he disregarded > Tessa's > opinion. She is a native Saint. If she found a > comment made about the people of St. Helena > offensive, > I would be willing to consider there might be some > weight to what she is feeling. > > Best wishes > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- Reino Bauer wrote: > > > Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not > > considering it as such may > > work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the > > world. Keep it to > > yourself and everybody will be satisfied, > including > > yourself. It is not > > a question of free expression but of style. > > > > Reino. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of > storage and industry-leading spam and email virus > protection. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 23:55:47 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:58:17 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <12DAFC4B-01AB-4473-A86B-05C379E2CDD8@earthlink.net> On Apr 18, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > > I don't think a teacher from America has much chance of breaking into > the UK teaching circle, via teaching in St. Helena. I never had the impression that Mr. Kessler had the slightest intention of living or working in the UK. It was a post about work on St. Helena captured his imagination. I think it'd be great fun for him, and a real benefit to Saints and their kids. Americans speak English, too, after a fashion ;-) Best regards, Chris From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 00:13:39 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Apr 19 00:16:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <12DAFC4B-01AB-4473-A86B-05C379E2CDD8@earthlink.net> <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > On 18 Apr 2007 at 16:55, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > >> I never had the impression that Mr. Kessler had the slightest >> intention of living or working in the UK. It was a post about work >> on St. Helena captured his imagination. > > It's effectively the same thing, because SH is a British Overseas > Territory and operates to the same rules and regulations. I'm sure that in applying that will be the case. However, he's not, as it seemed you suggested, looking for a back-door for UK employment in teaching. It'd be interesting to know who actually reviews the applications. If it's done locally, I'm sure the technical requirements will mean less than the desire of the governing authorities. > The UK has its own system and its own ways, and its own curriculum > and its own procedures which have very little to do with actually > teaching anything to the pupils In this case, maybe the systems are closer than you think! In all seriousness, the difficulty of having his qualifications understood or treated on par with UK qualifications was a significant concern I also had about potential US applicants. While I hope it doesn't do him harm, it's a real issue, which is why I raised it in my first post. I shudder to think what would be decided about my own qualifications! Very best regards, Chris From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 00:33:25 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 00:33:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, Message-ID: <4626AAC5.19614.73CB30@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 18 Apr 2007 at 17:13, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > However, he's not, as it seemed you suggested, looking for a > back-door for UK employment in teaching. I am not suggesting that. I am saying that a SH teaching job _is_ effectively a UK teaching job, and the bureaucratic regulations for it will presumably be the same. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 19 05:24:43 2007 From: BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com (BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 05:25:10 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <4626AAC5.19614.73CB30@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <4626AAC5.19614.73CB30@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: "The time has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things, of shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and kings. " ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Goodey Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:45 pm Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena To: list@sthelena.se > On 18 Apr 2007 at 17:13, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > > > However, he's not, as it seemed you suggested, looking for a > > back-door for UK employment in teaching. > > I am not suggesting that. I am saying that a SH teaching job _is_ > effectively a UK teaching job, and the bureaucratic regulations > for > it will presumably be the same. > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From linsi_art at bluewin.ch Thu Apr 19 09:37:25 2007 From: linsi_art at bluewin.ch (Iris Linsi) Date: Thu Apr 19 09:37:22 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/07e2ba9b/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:27:54 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:30:48 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Be offended if you wish but also be aware that the standard of written English here is frequently poor. I often receive documents from senior people in important positions containing grammatical errors that I would not expect to find in the homework of an eleven year old. Sometimes the structure is so tortuous it's hard to work out what the writer is trying to say. The fault is not with the people. The need to write English which is reasonably grammatically correct, at least to a sufficient level that the reader can understand it, is not sufficiently stressed here in schools. St. Helena deserves better for it's children, and rather than being offended by someone pointing it out it might be better if we all work towards getting it fixed. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: 18 April 2007 16:28 To: John@BurghHouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/bf17f744/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:33:56 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:36:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> What Uncle Sam knows about St.?Helena used to be listed on the CIA website. It seems now you have to pay for the information (unless someone has a better link ....), but as I remember it is was outdated and inaccurate. Still it beats the UK Foreign Office website, which list us in the 'Caribbean' section. I can also (with my other hat on) assure you that Bank of St.?Helena makes no declarations to any tax authorities regarding the accounts it holds. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: 18 April 2007 19:13 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler wrote: > I got my application today and will have it filled out this > weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). Looking at the requirements, but not having looked at the application, it's unclear how US qualifications would be assessed. A- levels? And how many Americans are considered qualified in "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the States? You bring up a significant barrier: the wife's permission could be a problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' worldwide income. Of course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or whether it's near a war zone. Unscrupulous filers might try for a combat pay exemption. I would assume the UK tax treaty with the US allows for credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid to the UK, so you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. Good luck! Very best regards, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:37:36 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:40:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c7825d$ff51aa60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> In defence of Tessa's right to post her comment, I think it is everyone's right to express an opinion, whatever it may be. It is not up to any of us to censor the opinions of others, even when we disagree with them. If we disagree it is incumbent on us all to post other messages expressing that disagreement. If we start banning people from expressing opinions we don't like we end up with North Korea, Zimbabwe, Cuba, ..... JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 18 April 2007 19:55 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena If someone is offended by a comment made on this list, they have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that you will keep any and all future objections you might have in regard to subject matter discussed on this list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that in advance. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Oh brother, > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most > St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > see you post such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if > I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was > compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory > for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach > on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or > Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, > though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to > hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, > being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not > professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and > requirements of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, > though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is > watching the movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on > an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose > visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of > course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the > curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post > to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL > 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in > SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ??30,000 a year!!! > What???s he average salary on the island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 > yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is > available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; > 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's > Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if > anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email > me the main details I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post > to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL > 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:40:46 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:43:25 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC81B@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <000d01c7825e$6f13e520$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Had he had access to Email Omar might have added "and the whole world will know about it in less than 24 hours". JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 18 April 2007 20:54 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] Teachers > for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:46:28 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:49:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> At this risk of courting more objections, I'd like to point out that the version of History taught here seems to be overly UK-centred for a place that is closer to Africa than anywhere else. I think a little more non-UK history would be helpful, though I would draw the line at "Hollywood History" (U-571, etc.) JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: 18 April 2007 21:04 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:56 PM, cplowe@mchsi.com wrote: > I think I would work on convincing the wife first He's got that licked, he says; the next obstacle is whoever will compare his application to those of people whose credentials they already comprehend. I look forward to word of my countryman's success. Though I suspect some foreigners may shudder to imagine history as taught by one of us! All the best, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:52:47 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:55:24 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> References: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <000f01c78260$1c5c97d0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Building on Larry's email, St.?Helena does exhibit some interesting social characteristics. For example, elsewhere in the world, if you get divorced one of you usually moves away. I haven't had any contact with my first wife since the late 1990s. Here they can't move more than 20 miles, so people are much better at dealing with their 'ex' than I have ever seen anywhere else. It is also amazing how people can be at war in business from 8 until 4 and then be found drinking happily together in Donny's on a Friday night. And yet, some family feuds have been going on for generations. It's strange. I don't know if any social scientists have ever studied this but if they have and someone can point me to the report I'd like to read it. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: 18 April 2007 21:24 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Gee, What would be like if everyone on this list suddenly found themselves living on a small, isolated South Atlantic Island, where they had to live with each other day after day, week after week, year after year? Larry The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 11:01:47 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 11:04:18 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC86F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC86F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <001001c78261$5e0f2d40$2d0b000a@shgbank45> In case it is not yet clear, although my comment was light-hearted in nature, the message was serious. It was not a joke. Would I have written it in the Independent? No. I'll explain why. I wouldn't have posted it in the Independent, in the form I posted it here, for two reasons: 1: out of context it makes no sense. I would have needed to turn it into an article. I may do so. It is an issue that concerns me, both as a parent of school-age children and as one who believes in the future of the island. I hate to quote Tony Blair but he was the one who said that the top three priorities were "1:Education; 2:Education and 3:Education". 2: People on island often get confused as to whether things I write are the opinion of John Turner or the opinion of Bank of St.?Helena. I hope the list members are entirely clear that my views on education are entirely personal; the bank has no official opinion on anything we have been discussing. There are many islanders on this list (most of them just read - they do not post) and I believe that includes both media groups. I would not have posted it if I wasn't prepared to stand by it. But it remains my personal view and I would not want anyone to misunderstand that. John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: 18 April 2007 21:24 To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I recalled a repeated message. I am having a little trouble posting to the list. Those are indeed very wise words from Omar Khayyam. I have one more thing to add regarding John Turner's comments: Would he have written those same comments to the St. Helena Independent? Would a local audience, St. Helenians, see this as a joke? I think not! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:54 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] Teachers > for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 11:04:22 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 11:04:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: , , <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:33, John Turner wrote: > I can also (with my other hat on) assure you that Bank of St. Helena > makes no declarations to any tax authorities regarding the accounts it > holds. Since a new UK ruling compells all banks in UK offshore territories to disclose details of accounts held by UK residents to the UK tax authorities, I question the accuracy of this assurance. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6568027.stm Perhaps you would like to rephrase your hatted utterance, John? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From john at burghhouse.com Thu Apr 19 11:30:01 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 11:38:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: , , <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Thomas, Apparently the UK order enacting the EU directive lists the territories to which it applies, and St.?Helena is not one of them. My predecessor took legal advice and the conclusion was that St.?Helena is therefore not required to implement it, and so has not done so. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 19 April 2007 09:04 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:33, John Turner wrote: > I can also (with my other hat on) assure you that Bank of St. Helena > makes no declarations to any tax authorities regarding the accounts it > holds. Since a new UK ruling compells all banks in UK offshore territories to disclose details of accounts held by UK residents to the UK tax authorities, I question the accuracy of this assurance. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6568027.stm Perhaps you would like to rephrase your hatted utterance, John? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 12:02:12 2007 From: dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com (Dawn Waters) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:02:50 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gregory I wish you all the best with your application. I'm sure that a well qualfied person like yourself would be of enormous benefit to the students on the island. Regards Dawn Hants UK (a Saints daughter) >From: "Gregory Kessler" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: list@sthelena.se >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:10:58 -0500 > > > > > > > > >I am wondering about how my qualifications match up with the UK. I have a >degree in history.  I have taught geography, government, and world >history.  I have developed curriculum for english, lit. and grammar classes >and I have two years of library grad school.  In the letter that came with >the application it talked about the social problems on the island with >families being separated.  I have a lot of experience doing in home >instruction for troubled kids.  So I guess we will see.  I actually got the >thumbs up from my wife this afternoon, although that could change.  We will >see.  > > > > > > >From:  Nissa Nystrom >Reply-To:  "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To:  "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject:  Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >Date:  Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) > >Wow Chris, it almost sounded like you were trying to > >talk Gregory out of even applying.  Do you have > >anything positive to say about the possibility of > >Gregory working and living on St. Helena? > > > >Nissa > >Fargo, ND USA > > > > > >--- "Christopher D. Lewis" > >wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler >wrote: > > > > > > > I got my application today and will have it filled > > > out this > > > > weekend.  I am currently a high school librarian > > > in the USA. > > > > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my > > > wife). > > > > > > Looking at the requirements, but not having looked > > > at the > > > application, it's unclear how US qualifications > > > would be assessed.  A- > > > levels?  And how many Americans are considered > > > qualified in > > > "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the > > > States? > > > > > > You bring up a significant barrier:  the wife's > > > permission could be a > > > problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. > > > > > > >Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' > > > worldwide income.  Of > > > course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or > > > whether it's > > > near a war zone.  Unscrupulous filers might try for > > > a combat pay > > > exemption.  I would assume the UK tax treaty with > > > the US allows for > > > credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid > > > to the UK, so > > > you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Very best regards, > > > Chris > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >The S:t Helena Mailing List > >To unsubscribe please send a email to: > >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate >new payment > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 12:05:34 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:06:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: , <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46274CFE.1264.E1DC9E@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 19 Apr 2007 at 9:30, John Turner wrote: > Apparently the UK order enacting the EU directive lists the > territories to which it applies, and St. Helena is not one of > them. > My predecessor took legal advice and the conclusion was that St. > Helena is therefore not required to implement it, and so has not > done so. And can you guarantee that this situation will persist into the far future? Especially if Osama BL opens a bank account? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 12:05:34 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:06:08 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com>, <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46274CFE.31105.E1DC40@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:27, John Turner wrote: > The need to write English which is reasonably grammatically > correct, at least to a sufficient level that the reader can > understand it, is not sufficiently stressed here in > schools.....St. Helena deserves better for it's children.... Ahem! The Hubris Monster strikes! And why does St. Helena deserve better, anyway? What in particular has SH done to deserve better, than it has actually got? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From john at burghhouse.com Thu Apr 19 12:41:00 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:43:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <46274CFE.1264.E1DC9E@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: , <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <46274CFE.1264.E1DC9E@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <002101c7826f$3bfb3c90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Thomas, You are confusing two things. The declarations under the European Savings Directive are intended to prevent people avoiding tax on investment interest, not to control money laundering. There are other international agreements on money laundering, to which the Bank of St.?Helena adheres. The BBC news story which you quoted and which started this thread (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6568027.stm) is about the European Savings Directive. And, for the avoidance of doubt, Bank of St.?Helena advises its customers to declare the interest they earn to all relevant tax authorities. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 19 April 2007 10:06 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? On 19 Apr 2007 at 9:30, John Turner wrote: > Apparently the UK order enacting the EU directive lists the > territories to which it applies, and St. Helena is not one of them. > My predecessor took legal advice and the conclusion was that St. > Helena is therefore not required to implement it, and so has not done > so. And can you guarantee that this situation will persist into the far future? Especially if Osama BL opens a bank account? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From charles at bittervrug.co.za Thu Apr 19 13:03:46 2007 From: charles at bittervrug.co.za (Charles) Date: Thu Apr 19 13:05:58 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46274CFE.31105.E1DC40@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <5iv06b$jg8ce@mail-04.jhb.wbs.co.za> I think children everywhere deserves everything the people around them can give them, I don't think children have to do anything to deserve anything, I think we have to give them the best we can, always, everywhere. Children are non political. Charles Badenhorst -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 19 April 2007 12:06 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:27, John Turner wrote: > The need to write English which is reasonably grammatically > correct, at least to a sufficient level that the reader can > understand it, is not sufficiently stressed here in > schools.....St. Helena deserves better for it's children.... Ahem! The Hubris Monster strikes! And why does St. Helena deserve better, anyway? What in particular has SH done to deserve better, than it has actually got? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 2007/03/27 04:38 PM From prporter1 at aim.com Thu Apr 19 14:23:17 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 14:23:55 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Iris, Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Nicknamed the "CrackBerry" by users hooked on being connected, the pocket-sized gadget's outage led to lost business deals for some, missed appointments for others and even a hiccup or two in the halls of government. (more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070418/tod-uk-rim-blackberry-users-b7e5c6f.h tml). It reminded me of the short science fiction story by E. M. Forster whose title I borrowed for this email (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops if you don't know the story; better still - get a copy and read it). I would have used it as an 'And Finally ...' story but as most people here can't ever have been a mobile 'phone addict I didn't think it would work. (I confess; I was an addict: it's been two years and nearly three months since I last took a call). 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/38777004/attachment.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Thu Apr 19 15:45:28 2007 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Thu Apr 19 15:45:36 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46277278.7010208@inhouse.co.uk> John Turner wrote: > What Uncle Sam knows about St. Helena used to be listed on the CIA website. > It seems now you have to pay for the information (unless someone has a > better link ....), but as I remember it is was outdated and inaccurate. Still free in the CIA World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sh.html Steve From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 16:06:43 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Apr 19 16:27:44 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000601c7825d$ff51aa60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <761074.40003.qm@web54512.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for having the the decency to say that John even though Tessa took issue with a something you posted. It is nice to know there are just, reasonable and sane people on this list to counteract the few insufferable. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- John Turner wrote: > In defence of Tessa's right to post her comment, I > think it is everyone's right to express an opinion, > whatever it may be. It is not up to any of us to > censor the opinions of others, even when we disagree > with them. If we disagree it is incumbent on us all > to post other messages expressing that disagreement. > > If we start banning people from expressing opinions > we don't like we end up with North Korea, Zimbabwe, > Cuba, ..... > > JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa > Nystrom > Sent: 18 April 2007 19:55 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > If someone is offended by a comment made on this > list, they have a right to voice their opinion > whether you agree with it or not. We are all > adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for > others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. > A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just > because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one > else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can > all rest assured that you will keep any and all > future objections you might have in regard to > subject matter discussed on this list tightly > concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that > in advance. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > Oh brother, > > > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get > tougher skin. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! > I feel certain most > > St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes > > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I > am disappointed to > > see you post such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > John Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given > > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard > the Announcements > > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach > English either. > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > Rich Perkins > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if > > I understand it correctly, St. > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was > > compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign > language was compulsory > > for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign > language do they teach > > on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or > > Russian speakers... > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > xmlns:ns0 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > Giuliano, > > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian Seriously, > > though, I think Italian is a beautiful language > and I always prefer to > > hear Italian operas sung in the native language > (and, perhaps for the > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here > count for very little, > > being only a parent of school-age children and > therefore not > > professionally qualified to know anything about > the welfare and > > requirements of my children. > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, > > though I must confess that the nearest they > normally get to Italian is > > watching the movie The Italian Job. > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on > > an island that receives many French visitors, or > German, whose > > visitors make up most of the balance of the > non-English speaking > > visitors (unless you count Americans as > non-English speaking, of > > course). > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of > getting Italian onto the > > curriculum are about as good as us getting an > Airport by next Friday. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post > > to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > South Atlantic, STHL > > 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are > > confidential, meant solely for the intended > recipient of the > > transmission, and may be a communication > privileged by law. Access to > > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you > received this > > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, > > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this > communication or any > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly > > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this > > communication in error, please notify the author > by reply and then > > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 16:54:58 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Apr 19 16:55:28 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <113034.50106.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think we've identified the token bully among us. You must be proud. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Iris, > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > and sing Cum Baya. > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Tessa - > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > Iris Linsi-Thomas > Switzerland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tessa Boucherot > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Thu Apr 19 17:54:00 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Thu Apr 19 17:54:29 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those concerns are also very valid. Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Iris, Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The same would be true for the regional speach patterns and accents from Maine, Massachusettes, New York, Georgia, Texas, etc. Living on an island, even if it is not as remote as St. Helena, one tends to speak the vernacular as it evolves in the confines of the island. On some small islands off the East Coast of the US, but very close to land, there are languages spoken today that are a mix of English and African languages tracing their presence back to the slave trade that ended in the 1800's. Islands are indeed interesting for more than their geography. Marty Welfeld >From Florida, the land of "Y'all". ----Original Message Follows---- From: Nissa Nystrom Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) I think we've identified the token bully among us. You must be proud. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Iris, > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > and sing Cum Baya. > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Tessa - > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > Iris Linsi-Thomas > Switzerland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tessa Boucherot > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > £30,000 a year!!! What’s he average salary on the > island John – is it up to £6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 18:15:38 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 18:18:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <000501c7829d$f963eba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Tessa, Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; s/he can defend him/herself). If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than the currently poor education system the island suffers. This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the look of can only lead to disaster. Cheers. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those concerns are also very valid. Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Iris, Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ________________________________ __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 18:51:28 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Apr 19 18:53:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] History, Culture, and St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> <000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <0B2FA589-CC03-4F2B-AFCE-912C27C511B1@earthlink.net> On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:46 AM, John Turner wrote: > At this risk of courting more objections, I'd like to point out > that the > version of History taught here seems to be overly UK-centred for a > place > that is closer to Africa than anywhere else. My sister spent a summer in Mexico to get experience with intensive Spanish, and was very surprised to learn that Mexicans were taught that the United States had suffered a long plague of repeated civil wars. Amazing what perspectives one can find. > I think a little more non-UK history would be helpful, though I > would draw > the line at "Hollywood History" (U-571, etc.) Everybody seems to have their pets in history. When I was taught as a child, I kept reading about the Greeks, the Romans, and so on. The big leap to the Iron Age. Mesopotamia and the Sumerians, and irrigation. To learn about Asia I had to take an elective my senior year of the school that in the US comes right before you go to University. Texas has a curriculum requirement that 8th graders study a year of Texas history, which is entertaining and may be perspective-building (you can in fact win a war in full retreat while losing every battle save the final one), but has modest current application other than feeding a sort of local nationalist pride we cultivate here as a staple crop. My major course of study at Duke University was History, and I took a seminar on the origins of terrorism. I graduated in '95, after the first (largely failed) WTC bombing. When the fall of 2001 came, it was interesting to hear newscasters report the plane attacks were the first terrorist attack on US soil, which was the exact same line of baloney they'd spouted the last time the World Trade Center was attacked by the same exact same organization -- and the claim had been wrong even then. (The Weathermen were a Vietnam-era example, but without having to back up that far there have been women's clinic bombings and shootings since the '80s, as a "political" move against persons providing or seeking abortion.) By 2001 it wasn't even the first foreign-based terrorist attack in the US. History isn't a strong suit even for purported news outlets, much less in Hollywood. A recent Hollywood adaptation of a Shakespearean tale by a filmmaker respectful of the original faced a request to "fix" the ending so audiences would leave theaters happier. The filmmaker looked at the studio exec, aghast. It's Shakespeare. He said when interviewed, though, that if he hadn't been able to invoke the name Shakespeare (in other words, if it had just been mere history, or even a run-of- the-mill bestseller), he wouldn't have had a leg to stand on: the execs could claim they knew what would sell. Shakespeare, however, has credentials even older than the execs at reliably filling theaters, so the filmmaker had some real authority to back him up. A strong record for ticket sales is much better than mere truth in the entertainment industry. > What Uncle Sam knows about St. Helena used to be listed on the CIA > website. > It seems now you have to pay for the information (unless someone has a > better link ....), but as I remember it is was outdated and > inaccurate. > Still it beats the UK Foreign Office website, which list us in the > 'Caribbean' section. Very nice! St. Helena has an entry on this table , and in its description here , the CIA credits the UK with a nineteenth- century anti-slavery patrol. The secret to finding St. Helena on the CIA world factbook site is that the CIA spells out "Saint Helena" when it alphabetizes the country list. Of note to Mr. Kessler: the CIA estimates 2007 immigration to St. Helena at 0. Here's hoping you prove them wrong! > It is also amazing how people can be at war in business from 8 > until 4 and > then be found drinking happily together in Donny's on a Friday night. > > And yet, some family feuds have been going on for generations. It's > strange. > > I don't know if any social scientists have ever studied this but if > they > have and someone can point me to the report I'd like to read it. This actually reminds me of law. You can spend all day trying to rend someone's throat over a case, but the minute the case isn't at issue, all's well. In some states (with less effective ethical oversight) this might not be true, but in Texas I've come to rely on the good word of opposing counsel as if it were a bank-issued draft. They may want your client's head, but they'll not lie to you to save their case. And they will quickly put in writing anything the local rules require be in writing to enforce, and even suggest it if you don't bring it up. I understand this may not be your experience if you practice in New Jersey or New York or Illinois; where one gets away with poor behavior, it is thought to pay. Treating the agents of your clients' loathsome enemies like they are good people and to be respected is really the way things run here. It was a real shock, I can tell you, when I got into the business. I think the reason we (lawyers) treat each other respectfully in Texas is similar to the reason people have learned to get along in St. Helena: necessity. In St. Helena, you can't avoid your competitors and you make the best of it. In Texas, if we're going to practice before the same judges and be subject to the same oversight, there's a strong incentive toward civil behavior (besides, the next time you need something they have the power to withhold, it'll help that you agreed to their last request). This isn't an ad for the character of lawyers: you go to Florida or Illinois where the rules appear to be less seriously enforced, and the quality of your interactions with local members of the bar goes straight into the toilet. In a way, I think it's related to anonymity. If you believe you aren't known and that your conduct will go unnoticed, you may be tempted to do things you would not want brought back to you for explanation. In Pleak, Texas everybody was civil: they knew your name and could recite the names of your family, and you didn't need to follow them to see where they lived. When your horse got free and was found eating someone's rose bushes, they knew who to call and at what number, because they recognized the horse. In the big city ... good Lord. In large cities you're always at risk because people think they will get away with things unnoticed. Even so, folks who visit Houston often remark that the drivers (who in my view are certifiable maniacs) are polite and give room to enter traffic and change lanes; and strangers hold open the doors when your arms are full. So atop the crowdedness and anonymity issues, there are some cultural differences that separate Houston from Miami or New York -- and St. Helena from places you have in mind as a reference. There's no question kids deserve to be trained to express themselves clearly enough to be understood. The problems that result merely from lack of comprehension are great enough we need not compound them by hamstringing the next generation's ability to be understood. Whether the Bank would report on Osama's account is irrelevant: he hasn't got sufficient connection to St. Helena to open an account under the Bank's rules. Besides, if he showed up to open the account, someone would probably decide the $25m bounty was more important than their job and make the Bank's own reporting policy moot. Given how reviled he is, few would consider the breaching his confidence a genuine evil. Who knows, someone might be awarded a medal. I'm just wondering how long he could stand about in SA waiting for the RMS before someone would notice him and his fat bag of cash. My friends from SA keep telling me walking about with lots of cash isn't safe. OBL might do himself in just attempting transit. Finally: I think we've demonstrated this can be a high-volume list. The next question is what should be done to keep it running, in light of the overhead faced by the list moderator. I've seen some lists migrate to a Google service, which is free, though I doubt the domain name could be kept with such a solution. Very best regards, Chris From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 19:03:53 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Apr 19 19:04:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000501c7829d$f963eba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <722972.76914.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> Amen! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- John Turner wrote: > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no > comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I > would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in > silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was > condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island > suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to > register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things > we don't like the look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as > your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your > responses! I do believe in, and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. > Helena, and your concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. > I believe those concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - > The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cplowe at mchsi.com Thu Apr 19 21:10:14 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 21:10:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <041920071910.5381.4627BE9600079A8100001505219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> I think there are some who work in linguistics who refer to these regional accents as "speaking with restricted code" I think that the accent on St Helena as well as what is spoken in Barbados or in the south of the US for example might be what would be typical of this restricted code. I am not sure I recall what it means but it does seems to suggest that the regional accents are somehow less authentic. Not sure I agree and hope not to offend Pam > Here's a question for Tessa and all other resident Saints on the List. If > you can put aside the issue of whether or not you find John's post > offensive, what do you think of his point about language as taught -vs- as > spoken? > > Here in the US, regional dialects and accents can be quite pronounced and > sometimes, even though we all live in the same country and speak the same > language, communication suffers. > > For example, if Nissa is a native of North Dakota, she probably speaks with > an accent and rythm that would identify her as living in North Dakota. > Offensive? No, just factual. The same would be true for the regional speach > patterns and accents from Maine, Massachusettes, New York, Georgia, Texas, > etc. > > Living on an island, even if it is not as remote as St. Helena, one tends to > speak the vernacular as it evolves in the confines of the island. On some > small islands off the East Coast of the US, but very close to land, there > are languages spoken today that are a mix of English and African languages > tracing their presence back to the slave trade that ended in the 1800's. > > Islands are indeed interesting for more than their geography. > > Marty Welfeld > >From Florida, the land of "Y'all". > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Nissa Nystrom > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) > > I think we've identified the token bully among us. > You must be proud. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > > and sing Cum Baya. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > > annoyed by John's comment ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > > such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > > Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > > foreign language, given that most people speak > > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > > either. > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > > Perkins > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > xmlns:ns0 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > Giuliano, > > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > > Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > > children and therefore not professionally qualified > > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > > of my children. > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > > movie The Italian Job. > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > > which is a shame on an island that receives many > > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > > speaking, of course). > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > > communication in error or are not the intended > > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > > distribution, copying of this communication or any > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > > you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > > giuliano tordini > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > > italian teacher in SH? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > £30,000 a year!!! What’s he average salary on the > > island John – is it up to £6,000 yet do you > > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > > Schulenburg > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > The advert is available online at > > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > Regards, > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Turner > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > > teachers to come to St. Helena. > > The supplement is apparently not available on the > > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > > scan and email it or just email me the main details > > I'd be most grateful. > > Regards, > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > attachments > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From csmatthews at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 19 21:01:13 2007 From: csmatthews at ntlworld.com (csmatthews@ntlworld.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 21:11:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Teachers for St Helena Message-ID: <20070419190117.NWAB17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> I was in St Helena for a few months in the early 90s. Firstly, not only did I find the Saints unfailingly charming and polite I found it easier to understand them than they found it to understand me! Like others who have posted I found it much easier to follow Saint English than a great many UK 'dialects'. I visited the schools and appreciate the educational problems. Junior schools were outstanding and characterised by highly professional teachers and a wonderful head teacher. Unfortunately the secondary school, despite similarly highly professional staff, struggled to retain personnel and this could often lead to difficulties for pupils requiring support over the duration of a course. To anyone thinking of going there - DO IT. I was very sad when my 'tour of duty' came to an end and it was a wrench to have to go.......... but one day I hope to return Clive Matthews > From: list-request@sthelena.se > Date: 2007/04/19 Thu PM 04:54:53 BST > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 40 > > Send List mailing list submissions to > list@sthelena.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > list-request@sthelena.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > list-owner@sthelena.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Teachers for St. Helena (Tessa Boucherot) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:54:00 -0700 > From: "Tessa Boucherot" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > > Message-ID: > <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe > those concerns are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's > comment ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in > the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > ________________________________ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/c3083d2f/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > End of List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 40 > ************************************ > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From neon_dream at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:42:16 2007 From: neon_dream at hotmail.com (Neon Dream) Date: Thu Apr 19 22:42:59 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Message-ID: I understand that this week's St Helena Herald contains both clarification and an emphatic denial on the subject of Prince's Lodge from Robin Castell himself. See www.news.co.sh for further information. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neon_dream at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:44:21 2007 From: neon_dream at hotmail.com (Neon Dream) Date: Thu Apr 19 22:44:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: I understand that this week's St Helena Herald contains details of how this subject is viewed on the Island itself. See www.news.co.sh for further information. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From neon_dream at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 23:03:51 2007 From: neon_dream at hotmail.com (Neon Dream) Date: Thu Apr 19 23:04:22 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English Message-ID: A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ccprp at planet.nl Fri Apr 20 01:41:00 2007 From: ccprp at planet.nl (Rolf Weijburg) Date: Fri Apr 20 01:40:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English References: Message-ID: <000501c782dc$2f65b880$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Now, please...It's like Saint Helena is Mohamed and Mister Turner is a Danish cartoonist. This is getting cartoonisque. No need to shout and start throwing stones. Cool down. Tolerate. Be flexible and try to enrich with other's ideas rather than built walls of incomprehension. Shall we get back to STH ? Rolf Weijburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neon Dream" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] English >A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the >Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, >political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best > described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon > English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings > inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jrnixon at canl.nc Fri Apr 20 01:40:30 2007 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Fri Apr 20 01:41:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com><7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <000501c7829d$f963eba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> Good on you John, You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 02:27:46 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 02:28:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE05@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Hello John, New Caledonia! My husband spent a big part of his childhood living in Noumea, New Caledonia. How close the internet brings us all! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Nixon Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good on you John, You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 02:58:10 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 02:58:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English In-Reply-To: <000501c782dc$2f65b880$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE19@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> This is discussion, discourse. This is not 'shouting' or 'throwing stones', or at least it is fairly obvious who those shouting and throwing stones are. Let's also remember that it is impossible to "hear" tone of voice and intention in an email. You say, "shall we get back to STH", - "Neon Dreams'" comment was entirely about St. Helena and the subject matter at hand, "St. Helenian English", and very interesting I thought. I'll have to pick up The Canterbury Tales again. "Mr. Turner", John, as we usually call him here, is an English Banker! No one will mistake him for a Danish cartoonist. :-) (That's a smile if it doesn't translate in the post) Let's return to civility shall we? The sun is shining here in Portland after ages of rain.......Hooray for spring! Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rolf Weijburg Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] English Now, please...It's like Saint Helena is Mohamed and Mister Turner is a Danish cartoonist. This is getting cartoonisque. No need to shout and start throwing stones. Cool down. Tolerate. Be flexible and try to enrich with other's ideas rather than built walls of incomprehension. Shall we get back to STH ? Rolf Weijburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neon Dream" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] English >A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the >Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, >political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best > described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon > English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings > inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/41745f44/attachment.htm From jrnixon at canl.nc Fri Apr 20 03:08:14 2007 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Fri Apr 20 03:08:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE05@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE05@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: Bonjour Tessa, I don't remember meeting any Boucherots in Noumea. I arrived from Australia in 1962. My wife's maiden name is Colardeau, 4th generation now. John N. On 20/04/07, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > Hello John, > > New Caledonia! My husband spent a big part of his childhood living in > Noumea, New Caledonia. How close the internet brings us all! > > Tessa Boucherot > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of John Nixon > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM > To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Good on you John, > > You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. > > John Nixon > New Caledonia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Turner" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Tessa, > > > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other > bit; > > s/he can defend him/herself). > > > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an > apparent > > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather > than > > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when > you > > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > > > look > > of can only lead to disaster. > > > > Cheers. > > JT > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf > > Of Tessa Boucherot > > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe > in, > > and > > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > > concern > > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > > concerns > > are also very valid. > > > > > > > > Tessa > > > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf > > Of prporter1@aim.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Iris, > > > > > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum > Baya. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Hi Tessa - > > > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's > comment > > ! > > > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > > > Switzerland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > > South Atlantic(Eng) > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/9eb0ab59/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 03:13:02 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 03:13:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE23@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Bonjour John! :-) The Boucherots lived there in the late seventies and early eighties when they moved back to France. I'll ask if they're familiar with the name Colardeau. Best wishes, Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Nixon Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:08 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Bonjour Tessa, I don't remember meeting any Boucherots in Noumea. I arrived from Australia in 1962. My wife's maiden name is Colardeau, 4th generation now. John N. On 20/04/07, Tessa Boucherot wrote: Hello John, New Caledonia! My husband spent a big part of his childhood living in Noumea, New Caledonia. How close the internet brings us all! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Nixon Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good on you John, You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/76696d53/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Fri Apr 20 03:22:42 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Fri Apr 20 03:23:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <8C9510186DA4A07-1064-D039@webmail-md19.sysops.aol.com> No, certainly more than 12. Just tired of the same old rant of people whining about being offended. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/ac9d50bf/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 20 10:23:39 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:26:28 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c78325$3aa41950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Dear Neon Dream, I bow to your obvious expertise in this area. I have not studied St.?Helena, as you have; I merely live and work here, trying to help the island's people get their economy to its feet. Sadly, while I'm sure having the island speaking "Chaucerian (or Middle) English" is of great interest in academic circles, I don't think it's much use for trying to communicate in the real word, where the rest of us live. :-) JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Neon Dream Sent: 19 April 2007 21:04 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] English A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Thu Apr 19 13:01:52 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:51:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! To give an example, if John was a typical black "Johannes" from South Africa (and yes, we do tend to generalize a lot here since it covers for the polarized pain we been through), he would have sounded like this; "Ee-rownd ear, Inglish iss probably consi-deed a forin lungwish, giveen thut mo-st peepil spik Sah-int. Tho havin herd (not goats), tha annowns-mints bin red on tha ray-dio, aim not shoor day tish Inglish aythir...(darn, my Zulu/English accent isn't as good as it used to be!) The fact is that "English" will always sound different when spoken by anyone "foreign to the crown". I mean, there is "always" going to be an accent imposed on it by that person's mother-tongue (along with the dialect in their area)... and sometimes, to be truthful, it sounds very funny at the time (dare I mention comedian Billy Connelly as an example?). Gosh, even the "English" news broadcasts here in S.A. sometimes sound funny because of the pronunciations spoken by a person who's mother-tongue differs from mine... but it's getting better. Tessa, Iris, (and any others who feel the same), I sincerely don't think John intentionally sort to offend anyone - especially born and bred Helentas... because any comments from you guys play a significant role towards our interest in being here in the first place. Although it may have appeared that he detoured from the fact this list caters for a miriad of people and spoke openly, just bare in mind that he is actually (still) living on the Island and deals with its nature from his point of view - I think that also holds ground. Furthermore, there are lot's of clues to comments he has made on this list to indicate that his character and demeanor are not formed with malice - and I for one sometimes enjoy his input, though quirky at times. But then again, that's my opinion for the time being. For the most part, I feel this listing holds a wonderful and informative feeling about it - and its nature is governed and fashioned around those who contribute regularly - so, if there is anyone wanting to make an impact that demands attention or change towards attitudes, then speak up! I'm here only for the fantasy of one day living on the Island. Oh my gosh (OMG), since writing this response there has been another six responses - one even including the mention of Bin Laden! Aaaarg! Gawd, when I want to raise a point I sure can spend my time... I think it's time I took a nap... RobG (climactix) PS: I must be honest - I really thought that St.Helena was an only and mainly speaking English-community - would a resident, or ex-pat please enlighten me as to what is actually spoken on the island? Languages have always been a fascination of mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/d598f209/attachment-0001.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Thu Apr 19 13:02:01 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:51:50 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <001101c78272$3108ee60$0200a8c0@dad> Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! To give an example, if John was a typical black "Johannes" from South Africa (and yes, we do tend to generalize a lot here since it covers for the polarized pain we been through), he would have sounded like this; "Ee-rownd ear, Inglish iss probably consi-deed a forin lungwish, giveen thut mo-st peepil spik Sah-int. Tho havin herd (not goats), tha annowns-mints bin red on tha ray-dio, aim not shoor day tish Inglish aythir...(darn, my Zulu/English accent isn't as good as it used to be!) The fact is that "English" will always sound different when spoken by anyone "foreign to the crown". I mean, there is "always" going to be an accent imposed on it by that person's mother-tongue (along with the dialect in their area)... and sometimes, to be truthful, it sounds very funny at the time (dare I mention comedian Billy Connelly as an example?). Gosh, even the "English" news broadcasts here in S.A. sometimes sound funny because of the pronunciations spoken by a person who's mother-tongue differs from mine... but it's getting better. Tessa, Iris, (and any others who feel the same), I sincerely don't think John intentionally sort to offend anyone - especially born and bred Helentas... because any comments from you guys play a significant role towards our interest in being here in the first place. Although it may have appeared that he detoured from the fact this list caters for a miriad of people and spoke openly, just bare in mind that he is actually (still) living on the Island and deals with its nature from his point of view - I think that also holds ground. Furthermore, there are lot's of clues to comments he has made on this list to indicate that his character and demeanor are not formed with malice - and I for one sometimes enjoy his input, though quirky at times. But then again, that's my opinion for the time being. For the most part, I feel this listing holds a wonderful and informative feeling about it - and its nature is governed and fashioned around those who contribute regularly - so, if there is anyone wanting to make an impact that demands attention or change towards attitudes, then speak up! I'm here only for the fantasy of one day living on the Island. Oh my gosh (OMG), since writing this response there has been another six responses - one even including the mention of Bin Laden! Aaaarg! Gawd, when I want to raise a point I sure can spend my time... I think it's time I took a nap... RobG (climactix) PS: I must be honest - I really thought that St.Helena was an only and mainly speaking English-community - would a resident, or ex-pat please enlighten me as to what is actually spoken on the island? Languages have always been a fascination of mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 2007/04/19 05:32 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/0b59b5ff/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 17:30:30 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:52:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC6CA@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment. Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2200 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/b9a76509/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 20:25:51 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:52:17 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC78F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Hello Gregory, Where in the US are you? I have friends who are Kesslers. I hope you can talk your wife into it. Best, Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Gregory Kessler Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:10 AM To: list@sthelena.se; John@BurghHouse.com Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I got my application today and will have it filled out this weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). ________________________________ From: "Terry Herbert" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: ,"'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:21 +1000 That's going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at